Welcome back to another episode of The Self-Confidence Project. Today, we dive deep into men’s fashion and style with expert guest, Tanner Guzy. We discuss the transformative impact of how clothing can enhance not only appearance but also self-perception. From the three A’s of style (Authentic, Articulate, Aesthetic) to how cultural and personal identity shifts can influence one’s wardrobe, this episode is packed with insights. We also tackle practical tips for post-divorce dressing, the importance of good undergarments, and even have some fun with different hats and their stylistic implications. Whether you’re looking for a complete style overhaul or just some minor tweaks, this episode is for you.
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Kimberly
Here’s the transcript:
Well, it’s great to have you back. Would you remember when we last spoke before the year before last,
Tanner Guzy: right? I don’t remember exactly when it was. Obviously I remember the conversation and getting, getting out and everything, but it’s, it’s obviously been a minute.
Kimberly: So, well, actually last time it would have had you on, I wasn’t putting everything up on YouTube. So this will be fun. At least we’re going to get you up on YouTube and visuals and some, yeah, some visuals. And, uh, and let’s go through it again. Like, what do you, what do you tell me your story? What are you doing and why are you doing it?
And where do you live and what, why, what is happening in your life?
Tanner Guzy: Okay. Yeah. Like very, very pointed question there. Not, not broad and vague at all. Not at all. Just like, You go, I’m, I’m feeling okay. So, uh, career wise, things haven’t really changed since the last time you and I were on, I still, I still love what I get to do, which [00:01:00] is coaching like you do, but my emphasis is much more on the visual presentation, style, grooming, body language, you know, tattoos, all that kind of stuff.
And I work exclusively with men and we get to bring out who they are on the inside. And project that to the rest of the world or back to themselves externally through all those things. And so it’s a really fun process and a very kind of like philosophical and psychological process as I go through this with these guys.
So, That’s still just absolutely a blast. I love doing that. I think the last time you and I spoke, I probably had five kids, maybe six, but now I’m up to seven.
Kimberly: I’m like a great time to sit with my coffee. I’m we’ll spit it out. Holy gotcha.
Seven kids ranging in age from,
Tanner Guzy: it is literally every two years from 12 years old down to nine months. Oh, so you got a little, little Bambi. Little baby. Yeah. And it’s six girls and [00:02:00] one boy. So my son and I are very outnumbered.
Kimberly: And here you are, like the guy that like is like an expert on like men’s like fashion and you have all these girls to dress.
Wild,
Tanner Guzy: right? Yeah. Which is really kind of fun because it just, like, I have one little sister, but we were 10 years apart. And so I grew up mostly with brothers and, you know, most of my life was interacting. With men and guys and all of that stuff. And so to be surrounded by a gaggle of girls has been very eye opening in very many ways.
Kimberly: So men really do need to be tuning in and listening to you because, I mean, you, you clearly are full of testosterone. Something’s going on with his style. It is clearly, Affecting the inside and outside are very connected.
Tanner Guzy: Yes. 100%. 100%. Yeah. So, yeah. So, love being a dad. And it’s different now because the biggest change is that I, unfortunately, went through a divorce last year.
And
Tanner Guzy: so, now being a dad is being a single dad most of the time. And Wow. [00:03:00] Being able to do that with seven kids and having to now, and that’s one of the things that I love about doing what we do is I’m grateful that I get to control my schedule. And so my kids are here. Yeah. I just get to be a dad and be fully present with them.
And I’ve got clients that are understanding about that, how that works from a time perspective and everything. And so it works out really well in that regard.
Kimberly: Yeah. Okay. So, um, Look, where do you live? So what is it?
Tanner Guzy: Uh, I’m in like Provo, Utah, just South of Salt Lake City. Yeah.
Kimberly: Great. So you have a little bit of backyard then and some land for the kids to run around in or what’s, what anymore?
Tanner Guzy: No, she got the house. So I’m in a townhouse. I’m about half a mile away, which was very intentional. I wanted to disrupt their lives as little as possible. Yeah. And so the older kids still have like the same friends and everything else. And I mean, for the most part, it works. One of the beauties of Utah is that even though I don’t necessarily have like I’m not on land myself.
It’s such easy access to everything else that there’s [00:04:00] outside opportunities. Yeah.
Kimberly: That’s that’s important for the kids. Like, um, routine can create discipline and discipline is necessary for like the achievement of pretty much anything in life.
Tanner Guzy: A
Kimberly: hundred percent.
Tanner Guzy: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And it’s been fun figuring that out with them because their routines are very different at their mom’s house versus at mine.
And when you go through. Kind of the initial establishment of those routines. There can be a lot of very justified pushback. Like I don’t envy my kids having to go through navigating, you know, what’s still the same at mom’s house or dad’s house when they were together or what’s different or all those other things.
But, you know, we’re a year in and I’m very grateful that my kids have really embraced the routine to the point where. They, what, it doesn’t even require discipline much on their part anymore. Like they’re, they’re thoroughly just kind of enmeshed in it. And they’re now starting to see the fruits of it as opposed to just like the [00:05:00] labors of it too, which is great.
Kimberly: Got it. And I’m guessing that even in this townhome, you made sure that the master bedroom had a pretty big walk in closet.
Tanner Guzy: Or what’s the situation there? In fact, we’re about to move, we’re about to move into another one that’s a bigger place because right now My youngest sleeps in the closet when she’s here, but it’s, uh, yeah, the next one has a his and hers closet.
And until I find somebody else, I’m filling both of those by myself.
Kimberly: Yeah. Cause I imagine you have, uh, well, I’m imagining something that could be totally incorrect. Good style. Does it mean you have to have tons of clothes? It might just be how you piece things together. Right. Right.
Tanner Guzy: Yeah, for most of my clients, they don’t necessarily end up establishing really big wardrobes for me.
I’m in the same shirts and pants most of the time, but I probably own more shoes than you do and more jackets than most than most people as well.
Kimberly: You probably have me on the shoes these days as back in my corporate days, I had a lot of high heels and now. [00:06:00] I. really dress in a way that allows me to do my work, but also take my dog out.
And that’s why I’m literally always in active work.
Tanner Guzy: Yeah. To just get the pure functionality out of it. Right.
Kimberly: You know what? It looks cute. No one knows that it’s a crop top usually cause I get guys commenting and they’re like, Oh, like really like your dress. And I’m like, thank you. And it’s like, It’s like a workout.
It’s a workout outfit. It is
Tanner Guzy: athletic wear. I love it. Yeah.
Kimberly: It’s athletic wear. But they don’t know that because I like, I try and film from like, the boobs up.
Uh huh.
Kimberly: And it’s very functional. So as soon as I’m done like a client call, I’m like, grab the dog leash and I’m out for a walk. And that’s very practical for me, my lifestyle and like where I live and what I do.
Right. But I do very distinctly remember when we had our first conversation, I was like, am I, I really thought to myself, I’m like, am I dressing in a way that really like encourages like what I want to achieve in my life? And I really had to think about it because I’d gone from being very corporate to very, to being very West coast relaxed.
And I was like, no, no, I [00:07:00] think I am in alignment.
Tanner Guzy: Awesome, dude. I love that. I made you think that’s great.
Kimberly: Yeah, you really did. Um, however, one thing that I only started nerding out on recently is color theory.
Tanner Guzy: Oh. This is why I’m wearing green. Because I have green
Kimberly: eyes.
Tanner Guzy: So I’m like a Are you warm or cool?
You’re probably warm. I’m a
Kimberly: neutral because I have blue Okay so let’s explain, we’re gonna nerd out, explain to the audience what the heck color theory is. Yes. And guys should know this and then we’ll nerd out on
Tanner Guzy: mine and yours. Okay, this is fair. Okay. Yeah. So and Okay. I think that for most guys, this is one of those things that you need to understand at a very different level than most women, because this is something that you can really nerd out on, but the cost benefit for us is not the same as it is for you ladies, where the most basic way to break it down is you have warm colors and cool colors.
Okay. And so for you guys that are watching, listening, the best, the best way to understand this is warm colors are blue base or sorry, [00:08:00] warm colors are gold based and cool colors are blue based.
And
Tanner Guzy: what you want to do is find colors that align with what your natural skin tones are, what works with kind of like your hair color, your eye color and stuff like that.
And the two reasons that this matters are one, it makes you look more vibrant, more healthy, all of this good stuff. But then two, Is it just eliminates so much decision fatigue because I love that perspective. Yes Yeah, because you can find brands that all they have are warm colors or all these other brands have are cool colors or you can Walk into a store and immediately immediately eliminate so much of the stuff that’s on there And it just makes the buying process so much simpler Which is a big hurdle for a lot of guys that are starting to get into this stuff And so you look better and it becomes easier.
Those are good wins Now you can go further down the rabbit hole of like You know, are you an autumn or a spring or a winter or a summer or like, are there jewel tones or all these other things? And I do not envy you women who have to know, like. the exact Pantone [00:09:00] of hex color to get your foundation, the right shade.
Like I don’t, that’s a whole different level. You, you guys,
Kimberly: I don’t go that deep either, but I do, I do just at least go with like the, the season. So I’m like, uh, I’m a soft autumn. Okay. Gotcha. There we go. I got the, hold on. I got the, or I lied. Yeah, no, I think I’m a soft bottom, but anyways, I got like the dark autumn.
Can you see it? Oh, there was my ring light. The color palette for me. Yes.
Tanner Guzy: Yes. Yep. Those nice warm tones. So I’m, I’m in the autumn family too. So we’ll just, yeah, because look,
Kimberly: you’ve got like brilliantly bluey, sapphire eyes, right? And then it’s highlighting because you’re in that nice denim.
Tanner Guzy: right. That pulls them.
Kimberly: I’m trying to do the same. Cause I’ve got green eyes and it’s working and it’s working. I guess a lot of people are like, what’s up with like you and your skin. I’m like, it’s my color season.
Tanner Guzy: See how effective it is. Really, really works. Yeah. And I get that. A lot of guys can feel [00:10:00] like, okay, I don’t need to, to focus on that.
And there are things that matter much more. Like as far as. What’s being communicated, but if you can put in a little bit of effort to figure it out Then it is very much a set it and forget it type of thing and you reap the benefits forever
Kimberly: You’re totally right. Once you know it you don’t have to you know Print out a you know color palette or whatever or like, you know go crazy over it.
You just need to know. Okay when i’m in blue I look healthier, I look better. And that’s just going to translate into how you feel about yourself and also how people perceive you too. Because, you know, there’s, there’s something that I kind of do unconsciously when I see people as I, I’m like, does that person look like healthy and vibrant?
Or do they kind of like tired and worn out? And you can tell that in people’s face and just, you know, how kind of just, whether they’re popping or they’re not. Absolutely. Yeah. Subconsciously. Yeah, exactly. We’re all judging and we’re all like, you know, looking around and I just put a reel out just [00:11:00] before we got on this, uh, on this interview on, um, like the first seven seconds guys are so important and what you’re wearing is going to play into that as well as how you’re carrying yourself before you’ve even said anything, right?
So if you’re wearing clothes that are too big for you or just, you know, are too small for you. Right. And that means your
Tanner Guzy: energy and vitality and you own what you’re wearing as opposed to shrinking in it because you’re self conscious about it. Do you look like you’re trying to disappear or do you look like you’re desperate for attention or do you look like you’re comfortable with attention?
And there’s all of that to get factored in. Yeah.
Kimberly: A hundred percent. And I think usually like the most attractive guy in the room is one that is dressed in a way that is authentic to him, but everything fits. There’s something about like, you know, what was it like the early 2000s or the 90s where everything was like jumbo?
Right. And I think like, there’s something
Tanner Guzy: overcorrected in the 2010s where everything is hyper
Kimberly: skinny. Yeah. And I’m probably still in like the underdressing, given that I’m in a [00:12:00] crop top, then we went the other way to underdressing because you look at like, uh, history of style, right. So to walk me through a little bit of like, I’m just kind of nerding out on this.
You know what I’m thinking about right now? I’m thinking about like Tommy, Thomas Shelby and Peaky blinders. I think I’m thinking about like how well dressed. Men and women used to be throughout history and like how the modern day like suit is kind of like jeans and a t shirt now like talk me through a little bit of where are we in terms of like the fashion era and uh, do you like the way we dress today or do you kind of like, um, the way we used to dress historically?
Tanner Guzy: So this is a really good question. Um, especially like where we are because. I think we’re in a fascinating time. You know, we’re recording this on inauguration day. And for those of us that are terminally online. I think it’s fairly apparent that we’re in the middle of a big, that we’re at [00:13:00] the beginning of a very big cultural shift and things are really about to change.
And one of the things that’s so interesting is if you recognize from this big kind of like macro cultural perspective, one of the reasons why people dressed so much better in previous decades or eras than we do now is because for most of the history of the West. We were either an honor culture or a dignity culture.
And those were the things that both men and women really wanted to reflect. There was this kind of like mutual respect for how you showed up in public spaces and that you recognize that that would have an impact on how people were able to interact in those spaces. And you wanted to present yourself and genuinely see yourself as somebody who, uh, who was honorable or had this sense of like self respect and dignity and all of that.
And then with things like, The sexual revolution or the technological revolution with stuff like the advent of social media And I would argue even like covid really drove this home with everybody Kind of living at [00:14:00] home for so long as opposed to being out in public spaces we moved into more of a Comfort and or victim culture
and
Tanner Guzy: for a, for a few years, those have been a lot of the things that people have really been signaling is, you know, I’m part of this victim hierarchy or, you know, you get certain, uh, subcultures that are very much like signaling that I’ve, I’ve been oppressed in this group and this is how I can manifest that, or it’s more of the, Kind of like jaded cynicism that a lot of Gen X and older Millennials were brought up with and so you have to dress in a Way that shows your indifference to things because that’s actually the uniform that you have to wear is the uniform of indifference Which is what so much of like jeans and t shirts and things are and so what’s gonna be so fascinating to see is are we going to see a Sartorial shift in the culture the same way that we’re seeing all of these other shifts like Kimberly if you would have told me five years ago that the [00:15:00] conversation about seed oils that a bunch of us autists on Twitter were having would have been part of like the main conversation within generalized politics.
I would not have believed you. Right. Oh, right. And, and so I’m curious to see the movements that we’re seeing towards health, towards architecture, towards all of these other things. If we’re going to see some of that when it comes to clothing and style and all of that as well. So it’s going to be really interesting four years to see what happens.
Kimberly: And why do you say four years?
Tanner Guzy: Because I think that that’s where things are really going to get solidified from a, a Whether we want it to be or not, who is the president of the United States has such a big cultural impact, not only in the U S but just kind of like on a global scale. And so I don’t, to me, I lament that there’s that much cultural power that can be wielded by one person, but that’s the reality of the world that we’re in.
And so it’s going to be really interesting to see what the next four years look like.
Kimberly: It’s always been like that. We’ve always looked up to somebody [00:16:00] or had one to look to. Right. Okay. So just for fun, good old Donald Trump is a topic of a lot of conversations. If Donald Trump was your client, what would you do to make him pop?
Tanner Guzy: That’s such a good question because one of the things that people don’t recognize about Trump is that he is very, he’s obviously very intentional with his appearance. He’s very authentic with his appearance. So, okay. So when I teach my guys, about their, I call it extegrity. It’s when, who you are on the outside matches who you are on the inside.
Okay. And when I teach them about it, there’s three a’s that we think about the first one is it has to be authentic. And that’s like the number one, most important thing for guys, we will not wear stuff that does not feel authentic for us, which is why most guys will be in a gene will be in jeans and a t shirt rather than looking better in something that feels like it’s, Posing or try hard or fake or whatever.
Kimberly: Well, Carhartt guy is just not going to put on a Prada t shirt because it’s just
Tanner Guzy: inauthentic. Yeah. [00:17:00] Doesn’t matter how aesthetic it is. It doesn’t matter. And none of that matters if it’s inauthentic, right? Yeah. Fair. I agree. First one is authenticity and Trump nails that in that regard. The second one is that it needs to be articulate, which is essentially you can treat clothing as kind of like a visual language.
And so you want to use it as a way to send the signals that you want to send it. In a way that people will see and perceive them and Trump very much does this with like the fake tan and the weird hair and like the the bold like go to hell power ties that are very phallic and all of that. He’s very articulate with it, right?
Kimberly: Does he, does he, does he really?
Tanner Guzy: Does he really wear fake tan? I don’t know, but it sure comes across that way. Like when you see the lines of where it ends with his ears and stuff like that, like the orange man. Yeah.
Kimberly: Yeah. And I’m like, did someone just like, like, really, is that really what’s going on there?
Cause I mean, there’s some fake tans out there that are really good.
Tanner Guzy: This is the thing that’s so [00:18:00] fascinating about it is to me, it almost feels like it’s intentionally bad. Because it’s such a pattern disrupt, right?
Kimberly: Yeah, maybe. Yeah, maybe. And I know, I know the hair has always got like, it’s always like kind of peaked.
Weird coil. It’s so fascinating. Okay. Okay. So,
Tanner Guzy: And his ties are always too long and his suits used to be way too big and all of this. So he is very articulate in sending the signals that he wants. But the third aspect of it is aesthetic. So does it actually follow the general rules of like pattern and proportion and color theory and all of these things that actually just make things visually look good.
And that’s where
Kimberly: Is there harmony in the outfit and like, uh, Like for example, like the sandwich method, right? Yes Okay. So talk, talk to people. I know I am. I’ll talk to people about like how the sandwich method guys, super easy to do can create harmony.
Tanner Guzy: Okay. Tell me there’s, I’ve, I’ve heard a few different things that are referred to as the sandwich method.
So tell me what you’re referencing.
Kimberly: The definition I understand is like, if a guy is getting dressed and he just [00:19:00] wants to be casual and he’s a jeans and t shirt kind of guy, and he tends to, uh, like, uh, a white t shirt and he’s got blue jeans on, then his kind of shoes should be. Like they don’t have to be bright white, but they should be lighter So it’s like the color on top matches the color of your shoes And then maybe it’s disrupted by something in the middle So ie the sandwich two slices of bread with the meat in the middle kind of thing
Tanner Guzy: And it’s kind of pulling those colors together.
So it looks intentional. Yeah.
Kimberly: Yeah, I think that and I think like, okay so and then maybe a non white t shirt example again, like if a guy is maybe wearing something darker or navy Uh, and then maybe that, maybe it’s like a, a Navy t shirt and he’s got beige Bahama shorts on. And maybe he has like the Navy kind of boat shoes and it kind of is matching, right?
Because
Kimberly: if you got the blue top and then the beige shorts, and then you go in with red shoes, it’s all of a sudden it’s like, there’s all many, too many elements being introduced.
Tanner Guzy: Okay. Okay. That you’re intentionally articulate with that, then, [00:20:00] then you, uh, then yeah, sandwich method is great. Same thing with like, Rule of thirds or high contrast versus low contrast.
And this is all stuff that I, that I teach my guys rule of thirds. So basically that, uh, human proportions look better if we can be broken up into thirds rather than into halves. And so this is where a lot of like higher wasted stuff looks better on most people in general, because. You it’s it actually follows even kind of like the golden ratio and this ties into nerdy like Fibonacci sequence and all of this stuff and this is all stuff that like Leonardo da Vinci was Right.
And the Vitruvian man was drawn to match these principles. And I, I even kind of hesitate to talk about this a little bit because guys just can immediately get overwhelmed. It’s like, I don’t want to have to worry about this stuff. And the reality is, is when you understand the most basic principles, it can be really simple to execute on it.
But yes, these are the things that Trump misses out on. So he’s very authentic. He’s very articulate. He’s, He’s terribly not [00:21:00] aesthetic when it comes to his clothing choices.
Kimberly: What do we think his height is?
Tanner Guzy: I don’t know. That’s a good question.
Kimberly: Should we Google it and find out how tall he is? Because I’ve never seen Trump wearing anything that’s high waisted, so I presume he’s actually relatively tall.
Because I feel like high waisted can look good on someone who’s a little shorter. It pulls you up a little bit. Whereas I have, uh, my mom in particular, and I have a really good friend, they’re quite short. Um, they, If they wear like low cut and then t shirt again, they’re like chopped in half
Tanner Guzy: Yeah, that changes depending on like do you have a long long legs or a short torso or vice versa or whatever else like the Proportions all there’s general principles, but then there’s also how it applies to your build specifically Right
Kimberly: because you could have someone who’s short has a really short torso and then they’re wearing high waisted pants and now they look like they have really long legs and like they’re just boobs if they’re a woman you know it’s just kind of
Tanner Guzy: cartoonish almost
Kimberly: yeah [00:22:00] okay so let’s google uh trump’s height let’s see pull it up um for sure this will be donald trump height i want feet okay are you serious what give me your best guess in feet
Tanner Guzy: man that’s a good okay i would say 510, 511.
Okay, up. Is he above 6? Apparently,
Kimberly: look, I’ll show you, this is just 6’3 No way, really? I’m gonna, I’m gonna, Heights of Presidents, this is Wikipedia now, okay? The tallest U. S. president was Abraham Lincoln, at 6’4 while the shortest was James Madison. At five foot four, Donald Trump, the current president is six feet, three inches.
I
Tanner Guzy: had no idea he was that tall.
Kimberly: Or according to a physical examination summary from February, 2019, Wikipedia. So US [00:23:00] president by height
Tanner Guzy: or tall is probably reality and not actually a meme.
Kimberly: Yeah, so this Wikipedia chart has U. S. presidents by height order, and it’s Abraham Lincoln, Lyndon B. Johnson, and then Donald Trump.
And then Trump,
Tanner Guzy: crazy.
Kimberly: And then it goes down the list. Barack Obama, 6’1. 5
Tanner Guzy: And this is what’s so fascinating because I think that if you were to just take pictures of Obama and Trump and put them next to each other, the assumption would be that Obama is taller because of how he dresses and his proportions, right?
I would say that too. Yeah. Slimmer and he wore things that were slimmer. And so it’s this visual precedent of more length, whereas Trump is not only bigger, but he also wears things that are bigger. And so you expect him to be shorter and stockier than what he actually
Kimberly: is, right? We think, Tall and lean and short and, you know, stout or whatever.
And, uh, I’m, I’m actually quite surprised. He’s six. I would not have guessed that he’s a
Tanner Guzy: big guy, man,
Kimberly: dude. [00:24:00] I mean, I don’t know this Wikipedia, like fact check. That’s what I’m reading right here in real time. So that’s interesting. Okay. Let’s see what his weight let’s just for fun. Cause Then he’s six three carrying what?
Yeah, how much weight 215.
Tanner Guzy: This is what even surprises me too, because he’s a little bit, he’s bigger. I would expect his weight to be higher because it’s six, three, how much kind of extra weight he carries. I’m surprised that he’s that light.
Kimberly: The president’s height was listed at six foot three and his weight at 215.
This is a Washington Post article, August 24th, 2023. So, you know, that’s a little outdated,
Tanner Guzy: could
Kimberly: be heavier now. Well, that’s two years ago, right? 240 pounds. There’s some
Tanner Guzy: big changes in him, you know. 240 pounds
Kimberly: here. There we go. He’s a little heavier now. Fascinating. Okay. So, and let’s look at his [00:25:00] most like famous outfit.
Cause this is fun. I feel like it’s fun to just, oh, it’s like, it’s like a, it’s like a appropriate for today. Right, basically in still kind of wears that like bright red tie still kind of why can’t I just want to get this without, you know, he still kind of wears like the bigger Yes. Jacket, right? And then he still is wearing like the suit pants that I would more associate with like 20 years ago, like the bigger pant legs and the bigger pant jacket is reminiscent of like, you know, like 20 years ago, like my dad wore suits that were like flowing and now mid nineties,
Tanner Guzy: early two thousands.
Kimberly: Yeah. Right. Okay. So would we slim him down to make him look as like taller? What do you think?
Tanner Guzy: So I don’t know if I would necessarily go slim slim because that was a hard trend during the 2010s that’s already started to make its way out. And drape is definitely something that’s [00:26:00] being embraced. And with his proportions being what they are, drape is something that’s going to matter a lot.
But what I would focus on would be things like The shoulders of his suits tend to be bigger than his actual shoulders are, the sleeve lengths are too long, the pants, both in the rise, which is kind of like where the crotch areas are too long. And so it would just be tightening up the fit on all of those things.
Kimberly: Want to bring it up because it’s like, it’s like, yeah, it’s like big, big, big, everything.
Tanner Guzy: He’s being hidden or being smothered by a suit as opposed to it hanging off of him naturally. I think the other thing that I would do if I were him, or if I were working with him, Would be to find ways to incorporate more texture and more seasonal suiting.
Because it’s a little bit more of his kind of like Americana. Almost nods to some of these other elements as opposed to everything always being like high twist, high sheen and all of that as well. So that would be a fun, a fun area to explore. I
Kimberly: feel [00:27:00] like when I think of president Donald Trump, I think of one outfit, like, Oh, I feel like he
Tanner Guzy: has a uniform.
Kimberly: Yeah. He has a uniform. I’m like, what else has he ever worn? I’m like,
Tanner Guzy: golf outfits.
Kimberly: Yeah. Yeah. I’m like, can I picture him with a turtleneck? No. Can I picture him in like workout clothes? I’m like, no. I’m like, I don’t even know what his legs look like. His legs. Does he have real legs?
Tanner Guzy: He’s golfing. He’s in chinos.
Yeah. Yeah.
Kimberly: Does, does anyone know what his legs look like? That’s
Tanner Guzy: a great question. Drop
Kimberly: a comment if you’ve ever seen a photo of his legs and do they match the skin on his face? Is he tanning his legs too? I am super curious. Right? Like, this is what we think about it. It’s like one dimension. Now, someone else that, um, is just popular to complete cross reference would be, uh, Jordan Peterson, who dresses now very, following your three A’s, very authentic in a way, because he’s getting these custom [00:28:00] suits made that are like representative of the stories he tell.
It’s very, what was it, your second A? So authentic. Articulate. Yeah. Articulate. It’s very particular, right? And very Sends the signals he wants to send. Yeah, yeah. And you said the third one is Aesthetic. Aesthetic. And very aesthetic, too, because he’ll match his socks with his everything, right? That all, like, custom labels on the inside.
So we wouldn’t take Donald Trump and dress him like Jordan Peterson. But there’s gonna be, there’s like, those are the kind of two extremes. Like, one outfit all the time, a little bit, like, baggy. And then, very deliberate. Where would we Where we in the middle ground. It’s kind of fun.
Tanner Guzy: Yeah, and that’s what’s fun is that it’s all going to be Relative because I would argue that with trump all we would need to do is improve the uniform But still focus on the idea of a uniform Because there is a trump brand that want that you want that to be consistent whereas with peterson even the [00:29:00] consistency this is I guess a little bit oxymoronic, but like He’s consistently fluid and that comes across in his clothing as well, that there’s this adaptability or this fluidity and things like that.
And so this is one of the things that’s so fun to work through with my guys, as I work with them on an individual level is for some guys, a very limited personal uniform is what’s going to be the most energizing and feel the most authentic. And for others that can feel very suffocating and they want more options to be able to play with and tweak.
And there’s not a. A good or a bad or a right or a wrong It’s just what’s going to be best for the individual man and what his closet looks like
Kimberly: Yeah, fair enough And like what you’re doing on a day to day basis too because like some men might enjoy and want to express themselves in style but from a day to day aspect it’s really not practical because their job is Such that they need to be in something that’s yeah If
Tanner Guzy: you’re in scrubs or you’re a construction worker or something else like it’s hard to find The same application is somebody who’s in a more white collar or a personal brand online kind of environment or something else that way.
Yeah. [00:30:00] Top three mistakes men make dressing themselves. Okay. Um, I would say the first one is that they tend to focus on formality, pattern, and color as the like levers that they feel like they need to pull in order to dress better. And more often than not, you don’t need to dress more formally or introduce more color or more pattern.
You just need to wear better versions with like fit and color. Cloth material quality and texture and stuff like that of what you’re currently wearing. So it’s focused on the wrong things.
Okay.
Tanner Guzy: The second one is outsourcing the clothing choices to the women in their lives. And I’ll tell you why, because what men and women, Obviously, we’re very different in very many regards and our aesthetic goals are very different as well And it’s so easy for me to see especially guys who are like 40 plus when they’re [00:31:00] dressed by their wives because they end up being Too trendy and looking too young and for men, youth is a liability for women.
If we’re just talking like pure sexual marketplace and being as like raw about it as possible the other way,
Kimberly: right? Yeah.
Tanner Guzy: Right for women, youth and that kind of like vitality and innocence and trendiness and everything is an asset. And for men, that’s a liability because you’re untested, you’re unproven.
You don’t have any of this. It’s going for you. Whereas all of that, right?
Kimberly: Being attractive 50 year old woman that’s like got long hair youth and is wearing a flowy like summer dress. You’re like She’s got she’s still got
Tanner Guzy: it. She’s doing
Kimberly: great 50 year old divorced dude Who’s like, uh kind of wearing like his white van sneakers and his like quick silver shorts and his um, You know white t shirt.
You’re kind of like
Tanner Guzy: Dude, we all know you’re 18. You’re not 18. Quit pretending
Kimberly: What’s going on here, right? Yeah, I mean the studies show that and I don’t know, I can’t remember the study [00:32:00] right now, but typically men Look quite attractive when they’re older And you guys rock like gray hair it’s it’s cultural too, right because there’s some gorgeous women that are like gray or whatever, but Men just like look like they know what’s up when they’re a little older
Tanner Guzy: It’s visual signals of credibility and status and authority and even on like the most fundamental that you’ve survived long enough To get gray is attractive in men.
It’s very different. We’re, we’re, we’re attracted to and by different things and you need to use your visual appearance as a way to. understand and correlate with that. And so when you outsource your clothing decisions to the women in your life, they’re going to dress you to their goals and it undermines what your visual goals are.
Kimberly: Fascinating. Yeah. I can totally see that. I’m thinking of my parents cause my mom buys my dad’s stuff. Like he wouldn’t really shop. He doesn’t really [00:33:00] care. You just wear like whatever and she’s I’m thinking like the stuff that she’s picking up is always with this Idea of like keeping him young, you know
Tanner Guzy: And it’s hard because You want to have a good balance of it.
I love a quote from Thomas Jefferson where he says, you know, in matters of principles, stand firm like a rock, but in matters of fashion, swim with the current, because this actually ties into, I would say the third mistake that most guys make is that most guys, because we have so much of a correlation between our identity and how we dress, most guys will like pick a style.
Whenever they’re at the peak of their sense of selves, which is usually sometime around like college or when they first get married or something else like that is when they’re most assured in who they are. And then they wear that uniform for the rest of their lives. And so it looks like it’s right.
Kimberly: That’s I’ve never heard it put that way, but like, I can really see that. It’s like, you’re right. They, they felt good when they made that decision. And [00:34:00] therefore like, they’re riding that wave and maybe 20 years has gone by.
Tanner Guzy: And I’m sorry for the Gen X guys, but baggy shorts that go past your knees or the goatee that you wear.
Very much makes you look like you wish that it were still 1999 because that was when you hit your peak and you’re kind of in denial of the fact that the world has moved on Without you.
Kimberly: Yeah, my poor boyfriend because i’m thinking of him right now and i’m like
Tanner Guzy: I’m like,
Kimberly: no, not totally. Like, I find him like the most handsome man in the entire universe.
And like, he, he has this like, like, kind of like grew up in Salt Spring Island, West Coast style, but also has like German heritage. So then like, I mean, the Germans, you know, they dress particularly deliberately and very well. And you look at, you know, all of history in world war ii i mean their uniforms and all that designed by hugo boss and they’re vintage so he’s got yeah he’s got this like i just want to be relaxed and cozy because my life is west coast style based but then [00:35:00] there’s also this like military like precise fashion.
So he’s always kind of bridging the two. But I, when I met him, he wore the same thing, like every time I saw him. Gray jeans, gray t shirt. And like, that was it. He like, had like, he had admitted he had like, I have 12 of the same gray t shirts and four of the same gray jeans. Yep.
Tanner Guzy: Yep.
Kimberly: And even that is fine
Tanner Guzy: if you’re just aware of kind of like what’s going on.
And it doesn’t mean that guys that are in their, you know, 30s, 40s, 50s need to dress like their Gen Z and go hyper baggy or stuff like that. Because again, we don’t want to signal that kind of youthfulness, but you want to signal To yourself because you don’t want to see a guy in the mirror that hasn’t changed in 20 years because it reinforces the stagnancy or this fear of growth or this other thing.
And so you want to say
Kimberly: that, say that again. I think that was really like poignant. I think
Tanner Guzy: that. That was really important. And okay. And I’ll, I’ll hit on this a little bit harder because most guys make the mistake. In fact, we could, I would even introduce this [00:36:00] as probably the biggest, you know, to your question of the three, most guys make the mistake of thinking that the only reason to care about your style is because of how other people perceive you.
But the biggest perception that your style affects is your own self perception. And so if the guy that you have looking back at you in the mirror is somebody who peaked 30 years ago, or is somebody who dresses in a way that’s so small that he’s trying to avoid attention because he doesn’t want any expectations, or it’s somebody who is so flamboyant because he’s terrified of what’s going to happen if he’s not the center of attention, like you reinforce your identity.
Or you change your identity based on what your clothes you’re choosing to put on your body. And then what you see in the mirror on social media, on your dating app, profile pictures on all of these other things. And so your clothing is much more powerful of a tool of like self shaping and self perception than it is purely a tool of communication with the other people around you.
Kimberly: Maybe that explains why since [00:37:00] going through my health issues last year, I am tending towards more athletic wear. Cause maybe there’s like a subconscious reinforcement of I’m healthy. I’m healthy. Like I’m going really deep there and like really looking inwards and going, I do, I do notice I changed a little bit in terms of what I wear.
And I was telling myself at some point, Like when we first started this conversation, I was like, Oh, I’m dressing in a way that’s like representative of like getting out and walking the dog, which is true. But then there, maybe there’s a part of me that’s like, I’m reinforcing, like, I’m healthy. I’m healthy.
I’m healthy.
Tanner Guzy: I wouldn’t be surprised if that were the case at all.
Kimberly: Probably. Yeah. Okay. So I wonder who’s listening to this video. It’s going like, when is the last time you changed your style?
Right.
Kimberly: Right? And what might have actually provoked that? Was it a divorce? Was it feedback from someone? Was it a change in job?
Like when do we usually change [00:38:00] our style? Because I think it probably has to do with like a cataclysm or like a, a change in life that makes you then change your style and move into a different country. I used to dress very differently in Australia than I wear here with Four Seasons. Clearly way more into coats and boots didn’t, those didn’t exist there.
But I’m wondering, like, unless we consciously choose to look at our style and make a choice, life probably makes it for us a little bit.
Tanner Guzy: I love that you’re just organically so spot on with that. Because, you know, I’ve been doing this for more than a decade. It’s been my full time job for eight years. And I will tell you that 80, 85 percent of my clients are guys that are going through some sort of a big identity shift.
It’s moving, it’s divorce, it’s, I just lost a hundred pounds and I feel like a totally different person or I’ve put on 30 pounds of muscle, whatever it is. It’s when who you see in the mirror is no longer an accurate reflection of what your self [00:39:00] perception is and they finally go, okay, I need to change something about myself right now on the outside.
Yeah. So you’re spot on.
Kimberly: Interesting. And I I’m having that realization myself. I always knew that my outfits. And people around these outfits would change seasonally. Makes sense. But also coinciding with a change in your weight, a change in your, even your mental health, right? There’s something, there’s an external influence that’s causing you to change your style versus you just saying, Where am I in my life right now?
What do I value? And what, what does future me need from me today? And maybe future me needs me to dress more smart so that I take more risks. Or maybe future me needs me to put athlete gear on so I can get my ass out and walk. Absolutely. Yep. Like, maybe that’s what I’m needing. Yeah. So, so interesting. So, okay.
So, for a common scenario that we probably both deal with, men dating after [00:40:00] divorce or men getting style upgrades after divorce, what’s something they might want to think about or focus on?
Tanner Guzy: So I would say that the biggest thing that you can focus on is, and I, I’m working through this myself after, you know, obviously having just recently gone through a divorce is not, how do I, let’s see, how do I put this?
I think the best thing that you can see in the mirror Is noble resilience, where it’s not that you’re in denial about the fact that you’ve been delta heavy blow. It’s not this kind of like youthful ignorance or this kind of like pouty, you know, I’m going to get back up and I’m having a glow up to get even with my ex or anything else like that.
Like there’s, there’s a lot of emotional maturity that comes through that way. But it’s also not leaning into and identifying with being a victim, regardless of how bad the divorce was or the [00:41:00] circumstances are coming out of it or anything else like that. The, the visual image that I’ve always had as, you know, that I’ve had as I’ve gone through this is like a big, beautiful oak tree.
That’s got a third of it that was, uh, struck by lightning and is kind of like dead and it’s like, okay, it’s not the ideal anymore, but it’s not the whole tree isn’t dead. There’s still growth. There’s still beauty. There’s still potential that comes from that. And if that’s the kind of thing that you can create and curate so that that’s what you have.
In yourself again in your grooming in your posture in your physique In your clothing and that’s what you see as you leave the house every day Or that’s what you feel you represent when you post up Pictures for your dating profile and everything else like that Then you’re going to go into your post divorce life with so much more Confidence and assuredness without being in denial of the reality of your circumstances, too Right,
Kimberly: okay Top three [00:42:00] items every man needs in his wardrobe A man who, a man who, for sake of the environmental, cultural, weather argument, lives somewhere where the seasons change.
Okay, because it would be very different, top three items, a guy living in Sydney, Australia is going to need a guy living in the west coast or east coast of the United States, Canada, right? Like you’re going to need a coke, clearly.
Tanner Guzy: So it’s funny that you asked this because. It’s so subjective because I really would make the argument that culturally where we are If it’s if they fit well And they’re made of good quality materials and stuff like that Like a decent pair of dark jeans and a heavyweight white t shirt can be fantastic for every single guy And then you throw those on with a good pair of shoes that aren’t like gym shoes They can be vintage sneakers or it could [00:43:00] be a good pair of boots or it could be a good pair of loafers Or something else like that And so I think a top three item is a little bit too, it’s kinda like asking a speech writer, like what are the top three words that everybody should say in a speech?
It depends on what you wanna communicate with it. Okay. But it’s more about knowing what the messages you wanna communicate and sounds more like tie world,
Kimberly: top
Tanner Guzy: three
Kimberly: considerations. Then it sounds more like, yes, quality material.
Tanner Guzy: Yeah. Fit.
Kimberly: You know,
Tanner Guzy: and I would say that authenticity aspect of it. Do you feel energized by what you’re wearing or do you feel neutral or drained by what you’re wearing?
Kimberly: Also, I say like from a female perspective, um, like accessibility in terms of like, I have bought so many dresses over the years that I was like, wow, it looks amazing. And then I realized I can’t move my arms because it’s, it keeps my arms down. And then all of a sudden I’m like, I feel like, panicky at some point in the evening because I don’t have mobility.[00:44:00]
Tanner Guzy: And that I would, I would put that in as like, it’s an energy drain because you suffocated by wearing this and it becomes a distraction as opposed to an enhancer. Like
Kimberly: any material that itches or something that’s clipped on or falls off your shoulder or something. You’re spending so much energy fixing that bit that keeps falling down or that itch or from the tag that keeps bothering you.
It’s taking you away from the present moment. Yeah. Even little things like that, right?
Tanner Guzy: And that’s what’s so funny is I think another a lot of guys miss that Most things with clothing are not presence neutral and it’s very easy to focus on avoiding those presence negatives but You wear what you wear to the gym Because it makes you feel more present in that environment.
You wear what you, okay. We just saw, I just tweeted about this this morning because there was a picture of, um, Donald Trump, Joe Rogan, and Dana White, um, all at the ball last night, all wearing tuxedos. And it’s fun because they all look great in them. And you, when do you [00:45:00] ever see Joe Rogan in a tux, right?
But if Rogan were to show up in jeans and a t shirt at the ball, He’s not going to be nearly as present. He’s going to be distracted by what he’s wearing as he would be if he were actually dressed in a way that’s appropriate. And so when you find opportunities to treat your clothing as this like vehicle for more presence, then that’s when it can become a big asset to you as well.
Yeah.
Kimberly: Better to be overdressed or underdressed instinct answer.
Tanner Guzy: From a formality perspective, it used to be in the 20th century that it would be, it’s better to be overdressed, but we now no longer measure Authority or dignity by formality. Well,
Kimberly: I was just out for dinner like the other night, my partner and another couple, and I wasn’t sure, it was a new restaurant we were going to and I, I didn’t really like research it or look it up.
And so I put on like a really nice dress and was like [00:46:00] dressed up. And then when we got there, it was like the best restaurant, by the way, it’s called Nom Pen. It’s Cambodian and some Vietnamese cuisine. Like the most delicious food but like bright cafeteria lights and I’m sitting there like looking around and people are in their like sweatpants and really really casual and I’m like fully dolled up and I was like
Tanner Guzy: yeah
Kimberly: a little overdressed but you know what I said to myself my partner was like better to be overdressed than underdressed you look great and I was like you know what thank you I’m like I like
Tanner Guzy: that I like that idea because I would say it’s better if we if we go back to the three a’s.
And most of the time, more formal clothing is more aesthetic than more casual clothing. I would say better to be overdressed because it introduces more beauty and more aesthetics back into a world that needs it more. So yes.
Kimberly: Also, I’m more aware of my posture when I’m better dressed than when I am in other clothes.
So if I [00:47:00] am in a big baggy sweater, I know that like my stomach can hang out or whatever. But like, if I’m in a nice dress, like I am sitting like a
Tanner Guzy: lady. It makes you, it feeds like your whole mindset about what you’re doing. It’s not an individual variable. Okay, so
Kimberly: thoughts on men and hats,
Tanner Guzy: because I’m just curious about this myself.
Ooh, okay. So, um, I think one thing that most
Kimberly: I was going to say like, everybody’s got a baseball cap, but what about all the other types of hats? And are some of them just like really outdated now? Like the fedora, for example.
Tanner Guzy: Okay. So the first thing that I would say is that you’re better off staying with baseball caps and recognizing that there are like 10 different iterations of what the baseball cap is, and you can find ways to be able to make it work irrespective of your style.
Some of my favorite stylish guys. Um, there’s this, uh, Spanish guy, his name’s JM LaCour. Um, you guys can find him on Instagram and he does really, really cool, like vintage [00:48:00] ball caps with suiting and stuff. And it, and it works for him, you know, so like you can, you can run the whole spectrum with this. It’s so understand that there’s a whole like range of different baseball caps to play with.
And then the next thing to recognize is that anything beyond that. is incredibly difficult to pull off because statement isn’t it it gets into costume territory relatively quickly where a fedora is almost so far socially removed that it’s kind of like the equivalent of wearing like george washington’s tri corner hat or napoleon’s like big cap you know general’s cap or things like that or a top hat i would tend to agree with you but i mean
Kimberly: Yeah, like I’ve seen, my partner likes to rock a hat.
He does. He likes the flat cap, piggy blinders stuff. But I tend to find that it works for him when it’s like [00:49:00] fall or winter and he’s got like a big turtleneck on and he it’s got it’s got a vibe
Tanner Guzy: because it’s all that traditional workwear components that correlate with it.
Kimberly: Yeah. And he’s like, he genuinely like looks like a fisherman kind of thing.
Like that’s, that’s true. The vibe. And I’m like, you’re owning it, you’re wearing it and you’re rocking it. But it’s such a fine line. Like, I feel like women get away with a lot of different, I have floppy hats. I love hats. I love wearing them all the time. But for some reason I feel like it’s harder for guys.
Tanner Guzy: I’m going to keep talking. I’m going to grab one and I’ll show you, but
Kimberly: so,
Tanner Guzy: so for
the guys who are a little bit more, I think especially like West coast and you have a little bit more of that kind of like rugged in you. There’s ways to pull off something that’s a little bit more of like a western style hat Yeah, see I like that. I have one like
that, right?
Tanner Guzy: But it still is, what? It still is a bit of a challenge where [00:50:00] you have to be kind of nailing everything else with your style and you have to be in the right environments, otherwise it becomes a costume and cartoonish.
I
Kimberly: feel like, right? It’s really hard for a guy to wear like a hat like that out to a dinner because you’re not going to keep it on when you’re eating and then where are you going to put it? And then you basically just took it with you to not wear it to then take it home.
Tanner Guzy: Exactly, right? And this is the thing is that most guys, most of our stuff has to be rooted in function in order for us to be able to feel authentic in how we wear it.
And car culture killed hat culture. Because we go from climate controlled box to climate controlled box to climate controlled box,
right? And
Tanner Guzy: you really don’t need to wear Hats the way that our ancestors wore because every culture has developed their own very fascinating masculine hats Because people were outside all the time and you needed them for sun protection and rain protection and all of that And that’s just not the world that we largely live in now.
[00:51:00] And so because it’s been robbed of its function It feels Like a costume. And so it’s harder to pull off in an authentic way.
Kimberly: Well, let’s do something fun. I’m going to grab three of my favorite hats and you tell me which one you like the best because this is great.
Tanner Guzy: Let’s do this.
Kimberly: I got three
Tanner Guzy: things. How often are you wearing these?
Like, is this a standard rotation or is this kind of like an every once in a while type of thing that you have these on? My style.
Kimberly: It’s just like, I like to play around with them. Yeah. Yeah. I like to play. Okay. Okay. Hat number one.
Tanner Guzy: Yeah. I already love this. Love this of the green. Right? Yep. Totally
Kimberly: matches.
Brixton. Yeah, that’s great. Okay. Okay. What do we rate this out of 10?
Tanner Guzy: Uh, what are we wearing it with?
Kimberly: Usually if I’m wearing a hat like this, I would either pair it with like a summer dress. Kind of a la [00:52:00] Beth Dutton, Yellowstone. Or, I am wearing like, white t shirt, jean shorts,
Tanner Guzy: flip flops. Gotcha. It’s a little bit more kind of rugged and playing with stuff that way.
I’m thinking, yeah. Okay, that’s tens for both of those. That works.
Kimberly: Yep. I’ll leave the funny one for last. Hey, I just had a trip to England and Scotland. And my partner and I and our good friends went, um, clay pigeon shooting and we were in England so I got the traditional
Tanner Guzy: nice
Kimberly: flat cap.
Tanner Guzy: So does the uh, how does the brim separate from the cap itself?
Kimberly: It actually does by a little clap Clip, but you wouldn’t wear it like this because now i’m a trained doctor,
Tanner Guzy: right? Yeah, so it’s always
Kimberly: flat and i’m wearing this with a matching barber shooting jacket,
Tanner Guzy: okay,
Kimberly: and like Tight jeans and brown boots or something. Yes. [00:53:00]
Tanner Guzy: What’s
Kimberly: it
Tanner Guzy: made out of?
Kimberly: I don’t know. It’s a traditional cap.
Barber wax flat cap, 100 percent cotton lining, 100 percent cotton. It’s not
Tanner Guzy: even a synthetic. Man, you’re gonna chew on these. This is great.
Kimberly: Okay, no, this was, yeah, not cheap. Probably my partner bought me this hat.
Tanner Guzy: Okay, when are you in this?
Kimberly: I’m in this, like, Especially like the first three years of us dating every weekend We would just be in his Toyota truck going somewhere. He was teaching me how to shoot I’d be shooting a recurve bow. We’d be out in the bush going for hikes And he loves me in camo.
Tanner Guzy: How is it still that pristine?
Kimberly: Well, because this one’s new and I have like
Tanner Guzy: seven others that
Kimberly: are
Tanner Guzy: more So that’s the only thing that I would say makes that one a miss is something that’s that authentic Needs to have some wear and tear and be broken in. Yeah. This one’s
Kimberly: pretty new. Okay. Okay, all right, but [00:54:00] this is like me and my Canada goose green parka with fur and like my Black tights and my combat boots One second
Tanner Guzy: some reps in on that.
That’ll be great.
Kimberly: This is more kimberly than anything else Believe it or not.
Tanner Guzy: I love that because obviously we’ve been following each other on social for years. I’ve never seen this side of you.
Kimberly: Nobody knows. Like, and I find it. Why don’t you show that? Um, I don’t, I don’t know. People give me suggestions and idea.
I don’t really know how to weave my personal life into what I do. My clients don’t be. I don’t, I’m not interested in being like, Hey guys, like, this is what I’m doing this weekend, like.
Tanner Guzy: Right, because you’re not the brand the same way that it is for a lot of other people, like. Yeah, but
Kimberly: every now and then a story goes up of like what I’m doing, but I, I don’t know how to weave that into like, the content that I produce.
Honestly, I just don’t, I don’t know, and I don’t think people care, and I don’t want to spend the time on it.
Tanner Guzy: Fascinating. Well, it’s fun to get to see that side of you.
Kimberly: Yeah. [00:55:00] Okay. So this I bought, haven’t worn yet because I’m like, okay, it’s winter. I really want to get out to the ski hill and I want to look really cute.
So.
Tanner Guzy: Going all snow bunny. Let’s see this. Okay.
Kimberly: Okay.
Tanner Guzy: So.
Kimberly: It’s
Tanner Guzy: leather. What? Will you be skiing in this?
Kimberly: Well, I at least want to apre in this.
Tanner Guzy: How good of a skier are you? I’m thinking
Kimberly: like a one piece black ski suit, matching gloves, and this hat. Like I’m probably more like Russian escort here.
Tanner Guzy: How good of a ski How good of a skier are you?
Kimberly: I am not that good. So, I have like two amazing 80’s style retro one piece ski suits.
Okay. That
Kimberly: look banging. But, literally on the ski hill, I haven’t skied in like five years.
Okay.
Kimberly: The last time I was up there, I had like 10 people stop me on the mountain and they’re like, Oh my God, do you ski as good as your suit?[00:56:00]
I went, no, this is just so people can find me. This is just so people can find me. They know to look for Kim in like the bright yellow thing or like the retro ski suit. By the way, they’re all from a company called tipsyelves. com. They have like hilarious stuff.
So then I was like, I like this one. I don’t know. I feel like, um, Russian in it, I guess. Yeah.
Tanner Guzy: See, this is unfair because I feel like I, okay, Kim, you set me up here because all of these are wins. And then I just look like I’m simping by telling you that they’re all wins. So you had to actually choose a bad one that I could call you out on.
I have, I have a lot more,
Kimberly: so, you know, like I just grabbed like four quick ones.
Tanner Guzy: All four of these are really good options. Yeah. This
Kimberly: one was just from Zara. It was like a quick, uh, I went in there and I was like, Oh, I don’t even know if it’s real leather, but no, it won’t be real for her. But I was like, it’s so warm.
And you know what? I just like being different from other [00:57:00] people.
Tanner Guzy: Nope. Those are
Kimberly: all the same thing on that. Everyone else has that’s, maybe that’s part of my identity or maybe it’s driven with by my ego of just wanting something a little different.
Tanner Guzy: Do you find that there ever any circumstances where that’s not the case or are you always more inclined to stand
Kimberly: out?
I never was. I grew up in Vancouver and my idea of a going out outfit was jeans and a cute top. And I would wear, like, um, like, black leggings that I would have found on sale, like, Home Sense, to go out for a night out with, like, high heeled shoes. None of it made sense. And I had no sense of style or fashion, and I also didn’t know who I was.
And, uh, you know, I had the bleach blonde hair, and I was very insecure. Then I left and I went on a, I booked a one way ticket to Bangkok, Thailand with my friend Melissa. We were planning to travel for two months and it turned into ten years of me living away. And [00:58:00] I ended up in Sydney, Australia, and I met a bunch of English girls from Liverpool.
And they were bright colors, fashionistas. And we all would start going out together and they’d look at me and be like, You can’t, you can’t wear that. You can’t wear a jean, the same shit. So they started, dressing me in their clothes. First time I ever wore a bright orange shift dress or a Camilla play suit.
I didn’t even know what a play suit was with rhinestones all over it. And they just got me totally expressing myself through clothes.
Tanner Guzy: Yeah.
Kimberly: Yeah. So I went from like the same thing all the time to, you know, loving and exploring materials and fashion. And then when I came back to Vancouver, I realized fashion here is awful.
Number one, it’s not like Toronto. It’s very like, it’s 10 years behind everyone. And there was still that Australian identity that I had of that fashion that I am trying to bring into Vancouver [00:59:00] appropriately. So I want to feel like I did in Australia where I’m wearing something colorful, but I’m trying to make it appropriate to Vancouver.
Tanner Guzy: It’s the talk of authentic and articulate, right?
Kimberly: Yeah. So that’s why I tend to, uh, my partner’s like, you look great. Let’s just go. And I’m like, I just, and he’s like, you look fine. I’m like, but this hat, but that he’s like, it doesn’t matter. It matters to me.
Tanner Guzy: Yep. I totally get that. Yeah. And that is, that’s a real challenge where it’s.
Because you are more than just the BC version of you, right? And you’ve lived more and you’ve done more and you kind of like interact with the world in a different way. And so how do you bring elements of all of that into the current? Tribes that you belong to and place that you live and all of that in a way that still and so that makes sense that there’s this kind of enjoyment in standing out, especially because for you, it’s like an out and then back.
And so you don’t want to go back to the old [01:00:00] version of yourself, right? Totally.
Kimberly: And that’s why, like, I’m not in Lululemon, I’m in a different brand. Right. Because I don’t wanna wear the same thing everybody, even if
Tanner Guzy: it’s just that little subtle of a shift that it’s the brand difference That makes sense.
Kimberly: Where do you get these scallop tops? I’m like, ad Guys, Facebook ad, they, they knew the algorithm. The algorithm’s good. They got me like, I saw the same ad for this brand 10 times. And then I was like, okay, I bought like all their stuff. .
Tanner Guzy: Yeah. That’s this, this shirt that I’ve got on was from the algorithm getting me.
Yeah, it’s, yeah, it knows it. No, they, what they do.
Kimberly: So, okay, so for bringing it back because I’ve been having fun talking about myself here for a little bit, which I really enjoyed to be honest, but bringing it back to men watching this show, we were talking about the three things they kind of need and that was hard to answer.
It’s more about, you know, what fits them, what feels good and not being, you know, distracted by things that, you know, don’t work well. Um, And then I guess the authentic part is like what we were talking about, pulling in those things that they like, that make them [01:01:00] feel unique and feel good about themselves.
And let’s talk about something too, just for a minute. I know we’re getting out of time here, but it’s fun chatting with you. Undergarments for men. Like, Guys probably don’t think about this, but underwear, like, are we all wearing sacks nowadays? Or is there a market for like different material for guys?
Does it matter? Like
Tanner Guzy: this is where, this is where I venture a little bit out of style guy into health nut. And I recommend that guys do no synthetic materials and don’t wear stuff that’s like constricting the boys so that we don’t get all of the endocrine disruptors and also all of the like blood flow issues and stuff like that.
So if you can just do a hundred percent cotton boxers, that’s the way to do it.
Kimberly: Way to do it. And also like if you’re going to throw them in the dryer, don’t be putting those, um, dryers in there because they’re just hormone disruptors too. And stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I’ve [01:02:00] learned on the same page there for sure.
Yeah, for sure. Obviously, you know, we you know, we go through a lot of health things and we start to really recognize We can’t be matters stuff matters. Like I know i’m a little bit like going down the rabbit hole too Like i’m castor oil on my face. Like i’m vitamin d up every day. Like I I you red light therapy yet?
Yeah, I, uh, I have the, uh, Luminex Red Light therapy. Mm-hmm . Um, face mask I do for my skin. I also just bought this device called a neuro sim and it attaches to your ear and it, uh, helps simulate your nervous system and your vagal nerve to, um, reduce anxiety. Send me that link after we’re
Tanner Guzy: done recording this.
Kimberly: Yeah, I would love to see that. I’m only, I’m still in the trial, but you use it twice a day. And actually like, I’ll totally show it because this is something that could help so many people and I’m sleeping better and I’m way calmer.
Tanner Guzy: That’s super fascinating. Cause I’m like always in fight or flight mode.
And so something that can help [01:03:00] bring that down would be very helpful,
Kimberly: right? So I’m not going to pretend I know how to describe everything here, but this is the device that attaches to my ear here. And that has a little bendy cord. So it goes around. So now it’s just sitting nicely in my ear and it’s got the remote control.
And once I power it on, I set the time 30, 30 minutes it’s gone on screen here. And then, um, what happens is I don’t even know what the setting goes up to, but in terms of the current that’s running through it, I can go up. Usually I can sit around about 15, 16, and then I start to feel like the tiniest tingle.
Whereas my girlfriend, I let her try it. She felt a tingle on like two and then her partner tried it and he couldn’t feel it. He was going up to 30. So we’re all different sensitivity.
And
Kimberly: you said it and you just let it do its thing. You don’t feel anything, but it’s, uh, it’s putting a, uh, obviously a current through your vagal nerve and stimulating your system.
And [01:04:00] it’s one of these. Yeah, NeuroSim. N U R O S Y M. NeuroSim comes in this great case. Thousand bucks? That’s Canadian, twice a day I use it. I’m a lot more resilient with stress these days and the
Tanner Guzy: placebo or not, I don’t know. It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter.
I will, I will game all the placebos I need to, to get to where I want to be.
Kimberly: So in terms of like where I’m at with health guys, especially going through cancer that, you know, a lot of you guys watching this know that I went through it or, or no vaguely, right. When it comes to health, it’s like, I’m so zoned in on that stuff.
Now, like right before we got on this podcast, I just ordered. a bunch more vitamin D. That thing saved my life. Yeah. Mega dosing on that.
50,
Kimberly: 000 international units. Yeah. You know, you’re, you’re on the boat. You’re on the same, we’re on the same boat. I love it. That’s what saved me through cancer treatment.
Right. Kept my immune system high. I remember going into the [01:05:00] hospital and the surgeon, um, check my vitamin D level. And this was after my six weeks of treatment and chemo and everything that just kills your immune system. The surgeon looked at me and went, You have some of the best vitamin D levels I’ve ever seen for someone that’s gone through this, and she just looked me in the eye and she said, whatever you’re doing, keep doing what you’re doing.
Tanner Guzy: Fantastic.
Kimberly: I was like, yep.
Tanner Guzy: Yeah. I
Kimberly: have to buy this stuff under the counter here in Canada because they don’t sell. Vitamin D in that high of dosing
Tanner Guzy: here. Interesting. You won’t get it. I got mine off the Tik Tok shop like six months ago because the algorithm there got me.
Kimberly: Now I buy the, uh, just bought the stuff right before from Dr.
Berg, um, and just got his vitamin D 10, 000 international units, but he also mixes it with the K2, which you need for your bone. And then, um, because vitamin, uh, D high doses can deplete you with zinc and magnesium. He puts that in his supplement as well.
Oh, cool.
Kimberly: It’s all one in all one formula to make sure that you’re not getting depleted because that’s vitamin D [01:06:00] does it can deplete you of the other things, which is why they say, Oh, like, be careful.
It’s like, you don’t really need to be careful. You just, you just know what you’re doing and supplement
Tanner Guzy: the other way. Yeah.
Kimberly: Oh, man, we can talk about this all day, but okay. As we wrap up, because we’re at an hour 15 here, um, piece of advice for, for guys wanting to just take that first step, that first foray into just considering what they’re wearing.
Tanner Guzy: Um, I would say that the biggest thing that you can do is come into it with the attitude of, and I get why most guys feel this way, because if you’ve had somebody else try to dress you before, or you’ve hired a stylist or something else, You’ve probably been told that things look great. And then you go back to wearing what you wore before, because it feels more authentic to be in what you were in.
And so it’s very easy to create this false dichotomy of either. I can feel my feel like myself, or I can look good, but I can’t have both.
And
Tanner Guzy: if you can open up your mindset a [01:07:00] little bit more to the understanding that rather than there being this kind of like mutual exclusivity between those two, There’s actually a symbiosis between them when it happens the right way.
And the, the best thing that my clients get out of working with me, yeah, they ended up looking good, but they ended up feeling even more like themselves than they were before. And so you get more authenticity. Then you currently are experiencing with what you’re currently wearing. It just has to be tackled the right way.
And so if you can be open to that idea, whether that’s working with me or, you know, somebody else are experimenting with it on your own, whatever, but if you can shift your mindset into, I will actually feel more authentic and more like myself by going into this, then that’s something I have to sacrifice.
That’s when things really get fun and effective with your appearance.
Kimberly: I love it. Okay, cool. Well, I’ll be having all the links for you in the show notes here, and obviously I just had so much fun jamming out. Oh, this is fun. I feel like we could [01:08:00] go down a health rabbit hole right now, but we won’t. For the sake of everybody.
Um, but uh, thank you so much. Yeah, thank you so much. Thank you guys all for tuning in and watching this week’s episode, and of course, look forward to having you all again next week.
